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superraptors · Aug 09, 2011, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by -Martian-

No...definetly no.

The others suggestions are pretty fine, and I agree most of them..but not this.

Ok for the virtual money AH, but not the real cash one.

That's the main reason why Diablo3 community is having a huge debate about gaming ethics, chinese farmers & bots(that would exploit this), economy implosion and other bad things that would just ruin the game, imho.

So, no thanks.

Let's keep real money just for aestethics and/or contents.

you obviously cannot read, where in his post did it say allow bots, i myself would have no problem and im guessing 90% of the people who have a brain would like to make an extra buck or too just by playing, most pvpers i know have stacks of keys and ectos just sitting in there banks doing nothing.

people are already getting away with it so your argument fails either way, so technically this game is already ruined.

look at team fortress 2, its a pretty popular fps, and the store sells items that give people advantage for real money.

As for the suggestion, probably will never happen because they still can't stop botting yet but its a win win situation as you said for legit players & anet.

Kaon · Aug 09, 2011, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by -Martian-

No...definetly no.

The others suggestions are pretty fine, and I agree most of them..but not this.

Ok for the virtual money AH, but not the real cash one.

That's the main reason why Diablo3 community is having a huge debate about gaming ethics, chinese farmers & bots(that would exploit this), economy implosion and other bad things that would just ruin the game, imho.

You could be right. I don't know. My train of thought was quite straightforward: People are selling a lot of items over eBay now, why not make it a bit easier and less scam-vulnerable by going ingame. Not to mention the developer would make a serious amount of cash. If you can't beat them, join them.

I've already seen a few threads about this and opinions seem to be very much divided. Personally, I'd rather get around using eBay to make use of my items.

-Martian- · Aug 09, 2011, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by superraptors

you obviously cannot read, where in his post did it say allow bots, i myself would have no problem and im guessing 90% of the people who have a brain would like to make an extra buck or too just by playing, most pvpers i know have stacks of keys and ectos just sitting in there banks doing nothing.

people are already getting away with it so your argument fails either way, so technically this game is already ruined.

look at team fortress 2, its a pretty popular fps, and the store sells items that give people advantage for real money.

As for the suggestion, probably will never happen because they still can't stop botting yet but its a win win situation as you said for legit players & anet.

I try to ignore your rudeness just saying that if u think I cannot read...it's prolly u cannot understand what I wrote. I didnt point out that Kaon's post allow bots, since it's obvious. Indeed he even stated to add a title to reward who report bots...so I dont see any point here.

It's obvious there's no reason to implement such a thing in gw, a 6 years old game. Im much referring to what it's coming..like gw2. Hopefully not, according to me.

I was referring to this fact: in every games with real money trades for items or in game currency, that game is FULL of chinese farmer and bots eploiting that, and it's just one of the problems. Real money trades would just incentivate to have more famers and bots in game. And everyone knows what does it mean having a lot of these areound. (inflation, imbalace with items in game, etc)

Every game..EVERY I know that supports the real money transfers for in game items MAY have some little benefits for a casul player like getting few bucks for trades(and dont expect to be rich with suche trades, since if a "X" item is worth for example 10$ at its release, after 1-2 months with the farming-to-death by chinese&goldsellers that "X" item is going to be like worth 0,50$) or getting uber equips quickly... in the other hands the same game has HUGE balance issues.

I hope it's clear my message. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Kaon

You could be right. I don't know. My train of thought was quite straightforward: People are selling a lot of items over eBay now, why not make it a bit easier and less scam-vulnerable by going ingame. Not to mention the developer would make a serious amount of cash. If you can't beat them, join them.

I've already seen a few threads about this and opinions seem to be very much divided. Personally, I'd rather get around using eBay to make use of my items.

I know your feeling, and u mean it in a positive way. But selling items on eBay, u know, it's against the rules. Why we would implement a thing that till now was "illegal" and it was always fought in every way....and now u want to make "legal"?

I know, this argument is tricky. And Im not here to change your minds, of course, just to try to put in evidence what I think it's bad about real money AH in my opinion.

AND IT: I still like to see implemented (I know Im dreaming)many of your suggestions, like the community&chat ideas.

I cross my fingers for gw2.

newbie_of_doom · Aug 09, 2011, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by -Martian-

I try to ignore your rudeness just saying that if u think I cannot read...it's prolly u cannot understand what I wrote. I didnt point out that Kaon's post allow bots, since it's obvious. Indeed he even stated to add a title to reward who report bots...so I dont see any point here.

It's obvious there's no reason to implement such a thing in gw, a 6 years old game. Im much referring to what it's coming..like gw2. Hopefully not, according to me.

I was referring to this fact: in every games with real money trades for items or in game currency, that game is FULL of chinese farmer and bots eploiting that, and it's just one of the of the problems. This thing would just incentivate to have more famers and bots in game. And everyone knows what does it mean having a lot of these areound. (inflation of

Every game..EVERY I know that supports the real money transfers for in game items MAY have some little benefits for a casul player like getting few bucks for trades(and dont expect to be rich with suche trades, since if a "X" item is worth for example 10$ at its release, after 1-2 months with the farming-to-death by chinese&goldsellers that "X" item is going to be like worth 0,50$) or getting uber equips quickly... in the other hands the same game has HUGE balance issues.

I hope it's clear my message. Thanks.

I should probably start out by pointing that you also cannot write properly. Not only do you use many abbrivations, which means your post is a lot harder to read. You also contradict yourself as soon as the first alinea. You say that it is obvious Kaon's dream update is supporting to bot's, while he wishes to have them banned (which you also state, in the first alinea). Kaon's idea for rewarding people only for reporting bots, is not a bad idea. I imagine, many people cannot be bothered with reporting bots spamming to buy accounts or sell gold if this is not implemented. While rewarding people for reporting is indeed nazistic and wrong, reporting bots is another story.

Next, you mention that you are just waiting for Guild Wars 2. This is a very insolid argument. I will take a ridicilous example: say you drive a car. Your car is having mechanical issues. While this is happening, you decide not to fix your car, as you will be buying a car next year.

Then, you mention 'many' other online RPGs which take real-life to game currency and vise versa, legally. Not only do you fail to mention the name of even one of these games, you also have not been able to mention why they fail at banning these bots.

Your last sentence is incomprehensible. I think you mean to say something completely different: "in other words, the game will have huge balancing issues." rather than

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Originally Posted by -Martian-

in the other hands the same game has HUGE balance issues.

I fail to understand how having expensive items without working for them through the game is unbalanced. Especially in a game where you get max stat weapons very easily and expensive items are costly merely for cosmetic purposes.

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Originally Posted by -Martian-

I know your feeling, and u mean it in a positive way. But selling items on eBay, u know, it's against the rules. Why we would implement a thing that till now was "illegal" and it was always fought in every way....and now u want to make "legal"?

I know, this argument is tricky. And Im not here to change your minds, of course, just to try to put in evidence what I think it's bad about real money AH in my opinion.

You can say the same thing about drugs. Obviously, you are not going to able to keep cocaine, for example, of the streets. Though, I find legalising this unacceptable. On the other hand, I do not note any moral objections to an Action House where you can buy in-game items for real money.

The best argument against an Action House, I can think of; rich players will sell their money rather than spending it to get titles. Take sweet tooth for example. This will mean a certain decrease in the 'respect' these titles get from other players. Compare it to the zaishen rank: you could have r10 and show that you have gained a lot of zaishen keys. You can also have r3 and have sold the rest of your zaishen keys because you were buying other stuff in PvE-land. And then, you can also have the title because you bought it. However, this is not a very solid argument at all.

-Martian- · Aug 09, 2011, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Originally Posted by newbie_of_doom

I should probably start out by pointing that you also cannot write properly. Not only do you use many abbrivations and lack the use of capitals, which means your post is a lot harder to read. You also contradict yourself as soon as the first alinea. You say that it is obvious Kaon's dream update is supporting to bot's, while he wishes to have them banned (which you also state, in the first alinea). Kaon's idea for rewarding people only for reporting bots, is not a bad idea. I imagine, many people cannot be bothered with reporting bots spamming to buy accounts or sell gold if this is not implemented. While rewarding people for reporting is indeed nazistic and wrong, reporting bots is another story

Thanks for your annotations on every grammar error Imade. U won a cookie.

Ok I try to clear my opinion just on this point, since Im not against kaon at all when he talks about the title for bot reporting or about the use of bots: I didnt say kaon's dream update suppors bots...I said uhm...maybe I tried to say...it's obvious he didnt support bot use.

About the rest, I dont like to quote every single line u wrote just to notice if u fail or not. SO let's say u are right since I just dont care

And yes, I wait for gw2: first of all to see many of the kaon's suggestion over there, secondly gw1 wont ever support anything like that, like devs said.

Kaon · Aug 09, 2011, 03:21 PM // 15:21

While there is truth in something both of you say it is pointless to discuss it any further because Anet has stated they will never do it, regardless if it would be good for them, the game, or not.

Just like there's no real point in discussing the legalize of Cannabis in the Netherlands. The vast majority of the population may be in favor, very solid arguments can be made, but the government has clearly said they won't do it. It will take a new government for this to happen. This is just a matter of time.

Just like it's just a matter of time untill a game comes along with an auction house like I mentioned, and the developers are making insane money off it. This is when Anet may be convinced to join the bandwagon. Just like micro-transactions were a thing of pure evil 10 years ago, but seem to be one of the major business strategies now.

But for now, in this day and age, it's not going to be ArenaNet to try a new business strategy like this. It will probably be EA, or Sony, or some other company. Discussion therefore, is futile. Remember this is still a dream update. ArenaNet has also stated numerous times they won't reïmplement TA, regardless of it being their best move ever.

Missing HB · Aug 09, 2011, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Kaon

ArenaNet has also stated numerous times they won't reïmplement TA, regardless of it being their best move ever.

Yet, we never heard their real reasons of it's removal. I remembered of " unfixable format " and " less populated than ascalon academy"... Why aren't we deleting Codex, Alliance Battles and Heroes Ascent then ??

Just hearing things such as " won't come back. end " on random forums won't help players....

Kaon · Aug 09, 2011, 06:09 PM // 18:09

And that is precisely the heart of each and every problem guild wars has ever had: no communication between players and developers. See the first section of the OP.

Vincent Evan · Aug 13, 2011, 04:06 AM // 04:06

Kaon, I really like your dreamlist of patches. In all honesty, you really made me miss the good times when you could kill the base defenders. Those were truly the days. I'll edit this later to add further feedback, but in regards of AB, you hit the nail. It is Guild Wars' "World PvP", and although the fun maps are Keys, Frontier and most of all, Saltspray. What I like for it's current implementation of map rotation. AL is always played for a good reason. A lack of good players on the Kurzick side to push them out. AB would really lose a lot of interest to me if each map was rotated just to see a new map. It takes away that incentive to play "world pvp" to push into enemy territory. Without hijacking your thread or anything, I'd like to see some sort of incentive and/or small party buff to push out the underground so there is a perpetual rotation.

kedde · Aug 13, 2011, 09:57 AM // 09:57

What would mend that without any other intervention would be to give more people an incentive to go there in the first place. If you tripled the population in AB, more teams would be joining and lessen the odds of the actual organized teams being grouped together in the same instances, thus evening out the win loss ratio for both sides due to more scrubs fighting each other.

Again, wishful thinking.

Coolio Mc · Aug 13, 2011, 11:21 AM // 11:21

its a very...um.....long post with a lot of stuff in it, just gets me wondering if you made this much effort in real life where would you be huh?

Missing HB · Aug 13, 2011, 04:35 PM // 16:35

and if they made a little effort for the game past 2 years, what would it be huh?

But yes, at least it's quite important that AB gets some care... It's just starting to be annoying when all teams you face are organized... and the problem is the same in every format, whether it's HA, Codex, AB... ( by that, i mean pugs vs people playing 24/7)...

I don't find it especially annoying usually, but that's mainly due to the inactivity.. so that there is noone else to face...

Coast · Aug 13, 2011, 05:47 PM // 17:47

15th august 2011 theres gamescom (and gw2 will be there).
So theres your shot to put this dream on there, if anyone goes that cares then theres your change, don't blow it!

kedde · Aug 14, 2011, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Coolio Mc

its a very...um.....long post with a lot of stuff in it, just gets me wondering if you made this much effort in real life where would you be huh?

You mean the rather small amount of time it took to write these things down? Further than you are I'm sure, give the impression you've made so far.
If there was nothing else, now would be a good time to gtfo the thread imo.

Anon-e-mouse · Aug 17, 2011, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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2) Add a statistic menu that keeps track of various statistics during the game. How many time you've used certain skills. How much damage you've done over the match. How much damage you've taken. How many kills you've made. How many deaths you've taken.

This is the only part I completely disagree with, GW's is not WoW and there's already enough elitism in this game, without adding tools so that people can pencilneck over the logs just to see who did 2 extra dps, or whatever inane criteria they want to discriminate over.